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Talking climate change with the skeptics

If you have lived in Alberta and worked on environmental issues as long as I have, you get pretty used to being asked, "Man-made climate change is not real — how can you still believe in it?" Because that myth seems to be getting so much traction lately — and because of what's at stake if those who spread misinformation about climate change convince our governments that inaction and indifference are acceptable — I want to share how I approach such conversations.

I always start by asking skeptics this simple question: "What part of the evidence of climate change do you not believe?" They usually answer by repeating some recent statement they read or heard from a "credible" scientist that said something along the lines of "global warming comes from sunspots," or "the planet's getting cooler not warmer," or "we have had much higher CO2 concentrations in the past" — the list goes on. 

The Munk Debate on Climate Change in TorontoWATCH VIDEO: Top climate change policy advocates and skeptics faced off in Toronto for the Munk Debate on Climate Change, Dec. 1, 2009It's tempting to counter such arguments with real facts, such as: overwhelming evidence shows that our CO2 emissions are altering the climate balance more than sunspots, while NASA reports that we're currently experiencing "the deepest solar minimum in nearly a century"; 2009 was tied as the second-warmest year in the historical record (behind 2005) and the 2000s ranked as the warmest decade on record; the last time we had CO2 concentrations at 1000 parts per million (ppm) it took 10 million years for them to decline, we are moving toward reaching 1000 ppm within 100 years (that's 100,000 thousand times faster than before, and would result in 6°C of warming).... I could go on, but this approach almost always fails, since the goal of most outspoken climate change deniers is to sell doubt — and it's an easy sell. (Who wouldn't want to believe that climate change is not as serious a problem as the world's best scientists say it is? But more on that in a minute.)

Instead, I tend to say that I am not interested in getting into a debate about the detailed science: "Let's face it, neither of us are climate scientists who spend day and night researching this, so it is probably not useful to pretend we can debate the science." Usually this disarms the conversation and creates an opening to actually have a meaningful discussion about the role of science in our decision-making.

I am always curious about what science people trust and how they see it impacting their lives. This has become an even more critical issue as the integrity of climate scientists everywhere has come under fire following the correction of a few minor errors made by some high-profile climate scientists. (On that point, I would challenge anyone to show me scientists in any discipline who haven't corrected minor miscalculations or errors as better, more accurate data becomes available.) 

At this stage in the conversation, I usually say: "Everyone has to decide how much scientific findings contribute to their individual choices. And for every issue — let it be H1N1, the risk of cell phones, or climate change — we need to decide which scientists and scientific bodies we trust, since we can't all be scientific experts on all things all the time. So when it comes to climate change, what scientists do you trust?"

More often than not, I get a blank stare at this point. People rarely think carefully about the credentials of the scientists they are listening to — yet often, the "trusted sources" of skeptics are simply feeding them misinformation or doubt about climate change, rather than presenting well-reasoned, substantial critiques of the science based on genuinely peer reviewed and credible evidence.

Skeptical science is a new application that provides iPhone users with simple responses to climate change skeptics' top arguments. Skeptical Science is a new application that provides iPhone users with simple responses to climate change skeptics' top arguments.Like a typical Canadian, I'm inclined to fill the awkward silence — and I do so by sharing what I expect from scientists working on climate change. My criteria are fairly simple: "I look for bodies that have carefully examined the peer-reviewed science. As you know, peer review is critical in any scientific debate. When I see the National Science Academies of the U.S., Britain, Japan, Germany, India, China, Canada, Russia, Brazil, Mexico, South Africa, France and Italy all raising the alarms in both independent and joint statements; when I see the Pentagon and other world-power military institutions evaluating the risks and threats to global stability; when I see major professional associations such as the American Meteorological Society, the American Geophysical Union and the American Associations for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), along with research bodies including NASA and the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) backing up claims about climate change with hard data, then I have significant confidence that the top relevant scientists in the world have come to a conclusion that we need to act on this global problem."At this point, the typical response of climate change skeptics is to revert back to the last "scientific evidence" they heard countering global warming, or to refer to the latest overblown headlines about climate scientists' behaviour.  Even though investigations into recent allegations of misconduct by climate scientists have found little or no evidence of wrongdoing, such factual details won't matter to true climate change skeptics.

But when the world's most credible and respected climate scientists have made unequivocal statements about the rate at which climate change is occurring and the need for urgent action, clinging to the position that climate change is a hoax requires believing that all of the world's top climate scientists and many of the world's most influential governments are implicated in a massive conspiracy against the truth.

Now that theory seems a little far-fetched.

Finally, considering climate change in the context of risk management is also important. I often say: "Okay let's talk about risk. If I am wrong, then the worst outcome is we spent a bit of money to build a more efficient economy, to design better cities, to advance renewable energy sources, to protect forest habitats and rare natural resources — and in doing so, we also made our air cleaner and ultimately raised our quality of life. However, if you are wrong and we do nothing — what is the scale of impact we leave for our kids and grandkids?" I find this often helps identify the skeptics' concerns about taking action.  In Alberta, the most frequent example raised is carbon capture and storage (CCS) where $2 billion of taxpayer money has been committed. This provides an opportunity to agree with them, as I state — "Yes, I too have concerns with how that money was spent. I do think CCS needs to be part of the portfolio of solutions, but that money could have been much better spent on energy efficiency or renewable energy." More often than not they agree, we politely exchange "nice discussing this with you" and we go on our way.

Of course, some of the most vocal skeptics simply want to maintain their point of view and cast doubt on the facts — even though they can point to no credible, peer reviewed research that supports their position.

That's when I say: "Imagine we aren't talking about climate change. If all of a sudden, on our Blackberrys and iPhones and on the front page of tomorrow's paper we read the headline: Asteroid On Track to Destroy Earth by 2050 — how would we respond?"

No, this is not a flashback to one of the best Atari games of the 1980s. Let me explain:

Artist's rendering of a massive asteroid striking Earth. NASA predicts that an impact with an asteroid 500 km across (as depicted in this artist's rendering) would effectively sterilize the planet. Astronomers have detected nearly a thousand large-scale "near Earth asteroids" (NEAs) that could potentially hit Earth, some within the next 50 years. One, known as Apophis, measures thousands of feet across and has a one-in-43,000 chance of striking earth between 2036 and 2069. NASA scientists say a collision with an NEA could result in dramatic climate changes that would threaten global food supply and could lead to the "possible breakdown of society." Imagine we got news that a collision wasn't just possible, but the most likely scenario given astronomers' best predictions — would we attack their credibility and challenge their credentials? Or would we demand that our governments take the threat seriously and engage the best experts we've got to develop solutions, if we knew that preventative action might cost a few percentage points of our national GDP but would avoid massive tragedy and economic ruin, while ensuring future quality of life on Earth?

I personally would look to NASA, the National Science Academies and the Pentagon to confirm the risk. And if they provided us with solutions to deal with this threat, I would support them — even if it did cost money. The funny thing is, these are the bodies that are warning us about the threat of climate change — they have indicated humans are a significant part of the problem, and are providing real, tangible solutions that can prevent the worst of the impacts if we act now.

We have a choice to make.


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Chad Park — Mar 16, 2010 - 12:46 PM MT

Thank you for taking the time to post this, Marlo. It's a great "guide" to the conversation that many of us have more often that we'd like. I have already shared your posting broadly with others I know having similar frustrations about this conversation. In line with the notion that we don't have to discuss whether climate change is man-made or not, another angle I have taken with some success goes like this, "we don't need to agree on whether climate change is human-caused or not; but most people can agree with the principle that if we are taking a substance from the Earth's crust and using it in a way that it accumulates in the biosphere faster than it goes back into the Earth's crust, that substance is going to build-up (i.e. it's not going anywhere). As long as it is accumulating, it will eventually become a problem - whether you believe it's today or tomorrow." I find most people can agree with that principle, and it then sets up a conversation about the "pace" of our efforts to deal with the risk (as you've built out very well in your post), rather than whether or not we should do so. Of course this doesn't work with the most ardent skeptics, but it does help with the people who are sitting on the fence a bit, unsure of whom to believe.

Dale — Feb 28, 2010 - 11:10 AM MT

Here's Klimate Change for you . . . . last January it was -40 in Winnipeg . . . . next July 30 it could be 110 F . . . in Winipeg . . . now that's Klimate Change. . . 150 degrees F . . .
The jig is up folks. Jones admitted they faked the data, The IPCC has been wrong for decades, the illiterate Al Bore has made millions, as has the Suz and WWF.
Check out how well Spain has done with the Green Nonsense . . . bankrupt I believe.
Cap and Trade is just a job killer . . . and who pays the fare . . . why the Consumer of course . . . .
My ancestors lived in Greenland 1000 years ago . . . it was much warmer then . . . back 10,000 years there was a mile of ice on Winnipeg . . . much colder then. We are nowhere near these two extremes today. I suspect your funds are starting to dry up . . .

Milan — Feb 26, 2010 - 11:52 AM MT

This is the same basic argument made in Greg Craven's book: "What's the Worst that Could Happen?"

I have a review of it at: http://www.sindark.com/2009/12/08/whats-the-worst-that-could-happen/

Tor — Feb 25, 2010 - 08:16 AM MT

I had a conversation a month ago with a climate change skeptic that played out this way... Stating from the get-go that I was not interested in discussing whether climate change is man-made or natural was also effective. After eliminating this hurdle, I was able to convince a still-skeptic that taking action on climate change would still be a worthwhile investment from a risk assessment perspective.

Duncan Noble — Feb 22, 2010 - 02:48 PM MT

Brilliant - well informed, passionate and pragmatic. All the things I have come to expect from you, Marlo.

DJ Kelly — Feb 18, 2010 - 02:08 PM MT

Well stated, Marlo. Thank you very much for outlining the conversation format you find works best and disarms the questioner of their cognitive dissonance.
-dj

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